Yeah why wouldn't it? 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Mobility: The complaint: One of the most common complaints that is leveled against the nation of Germany is a perceived lack of mobility. Recently I got the MiG 19s and its just been soul draining bad because off missile spamming and almost constant uptears, so I try to go back to the MiG 15 and G.91 but they experience a similar problem. I wrote Panther II and T-44-100, which are the medium tanks of BR 6.7-7.0, actual competitors to the Cent 3. Only if you let him, if you did the smart thing you will set the rules of engagement and battleground long before they even considered such a thing. For instance: in the M18's case, this is manifest in its far greater bounciness. 4. Those T-Heavies are redicoulus. By The issue is not that German CAS is less capable of killing ground targets. Armor is lolpened by DM33 and higher. But you can reach it fast enough as it'll be on your quarter of the map, the faster tank is the one whoneeds the half map. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! King tiger turret is just a big flat sheet of 185mm armor. Tell me what 6.7 what tanks have penetrating the side of the T series. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? Mobility is simply king in this game. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. He will retreat and find a way around you. ..and I'm not talking about the vehicles, they're OK-ish. Maps in air battles are sometimes given to br.s that have no way of properly using them (I hear top jets get tiny maps sometimes) and low speed props get huge maps sometimes (even in jets some of the maps make no sense, why would I fly an Me262 for ten minutes to stress out about my 2 sec window to hit an a.i. Has 3 crew and carousel, so it doesn't fit survivability meta and it's armor can be penned by 9.0 premiums. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Great War to today. FRENCH AVIATION TREE IS A JOKE! If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. My general thoughts on what causes Germany to suffer: The Germans' main undoing are their teams--there's no doubt about it. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions. While the M18 can potentially be used for flanking regardless of tier--this is true of any vehicle--it is also a vehicle that can be wiped out even by lowly 1.0s. However there comes the real germany suffers thing. It would actually give Germany some nice, War Thunder map friendly brawling options, like T-34's, IS-2's, T-54's, as well as some lower BR MBT's with decent armour, like T-55's, T-72's etc. It's very weak side armor also means that it's close to pointless to angle it, compared to the Tiger I. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. I will never understand whats inside Gaijin dev team, but they should add a German Mig 29, instead of waiting until russia gets a better plane first, as always. Also, most capture points are arranged such to allow for substantial firing work into/out of them from such ranges. Come on, seriously? Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans. Turret armor>>>hull armor for a number of reasons. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans, 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. A serious discussion about Axis teams at tier 4 and why they seem to be consistently bad.PLAY WAR THUNDER FOR FREE AND GET 50GE FOR FREE: http://warthunder.. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. Powered by Invision Community. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. Canon CAS is quite strong if left unchecked. Better late then never, only took them 5 years to catch up. The basic problem with this grievance is that people figure they need to have a vehicle as fast as their enemies to win--you dont. Of course it does, but this is not the argument here. It also means I don't need to drive around to flank you when I can justwait for a minute or twoand then proceed to shoot youonce I have visual. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. And as I've tested myself it was consistent to take out the 2 crew members on the one side of the breach ay 400 meters. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. Allied tanks have a thinner top armor in general than the German and Soviet tanks, which makes a high pen round not a necessary feature to get kills from the air. 2. But there almost no such maps in the game. Plus there are only few maps thatfavor this strategy. That is impossible, you need somewhat of a team. -ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided, - If the slow tank manages to guess the attack strategy of the faster tank he can setup and counter-ambush, - if there is position that overlooks the entire cap point and if you can reach it fast enough (so should be on your half of the map), - if you take your time to get to the cap point and the M18 doesn't use this time to simply cap. Long 88 can one shot a T__ but in my experience you have to go for the shot trap, which is a risky shot. Also, let's not forget that Germany has a proper line-up of SPAAs till 8.0, if you discount the gap between 6.7 and 8.0, so 1.3BR gap. I wouldn't mind more open maps, though I must admit I still prefer hard cover to range. The fast-paced and valiant opener marks a strong, excessive statement right at the beginning, because every detail fascinates: the riffing, the solos, the chorus, pick out whatever you want. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. Because heat rounds don't care about armor. As said above, aircraft carriers don't exist in arcade. If you shoot the side of the turret its about 175mm thick but if you shoot the hull its about 77mm thick. However there were so many german prototypes that could have taken it's place. Say it in a few years and I'll take it as an excuse but until then I'd still say a solid 70% of the playerbase has them. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. And the side of the turret doesn't really mean alot as you can still punch through it with basically the same thing as the other you die no matter what so if you good up that shot its on you. But only at long range. I invite others to list other claims of alleged German suffering so that those can be talked about. You don't want that then that is fine, noted. With a fast tank it is easier to get to places and to take advantageous positions. Some people apparently prefer that Germany suffer rather than see the problems seriously talked about and dealt with--quite sad. question. I don't have too much preference on maps as a matter of range. According to the complaint, the mobility differential between the Germans tanks and the others tanks means that the Germans simply cannot compete in RB GFs. Or is it? I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. I never said the hull was bad on the t series i have stated that as long as you don't hit the tracks you pen and the other thread we are in has showed that. Vehicles, That advice is not about any narrative, its about the best way around that shortcoming. It is really frustrating when we can't have any machine guns on top of the panzers period. The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. While it is true that many people, with all sorts of involvement in other trees, play Germany it is also true that many of the people who play the German tree only play the German tech tree. history projects. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. Also the air tech tree actually is borderline OP too. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. The funny part is that you say thatbut you give absolutely no reasonfor why you saythat. 5. Are there plans to restructure the the air br system or decomress the br. FRENCH ATGMS ARE NON-EXISTENT. Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. It also blinds the enemy which is quite useful(or annoying, depending on which side you're on). So don't play into his game, your typical player basereallygets a kick out of surprises. And since most Panther drivers know that, they usually just camp. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. It's strengths clearly outweighs it's burdens when the game is based around city/village structures. India. Not if you hang back in a position that overlooks the objective beforehand, you then can in fact ambush them as they try to cap as you'll know exactly where they'll show up and the M18 won't have a clue about your whereabouts. Allied CAS has way more firepower than Axis one. Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. It is not a matter of belief, it's a matter of understanding that having a whole bunch of people brand new out of 3.0 in 5.X is a problem. I want to see where you are shooting and with what cause even when i play the AMX M4 which has 215mm of pen btw I've never bounced off the side of a T series tank. they're glass cannons. Alternatively they could bring in an ground attacker with a better CAS loadout, but in turn be utterly outmatched when it comes to fighting for control of the sky. The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc, Stock ammo of the Leo 1 is the same as every other 105mm L7 at 7.7. No, the good players, because we need to play with this.. other 90% of the other players, that only got enough braincells to press W. Just carry, its what I do. Both the american 76mm and the russian 85mm will penetrate that front plate if not correctly angled. You have to constantly be aware of this. Your observations are not a statistical fact or some sort of general trend setting. Are there plans to finally separate ww2 (and pre-ww2) vehicles from post ww2 (like vehicles made during the cold war and after) in battles? #warthunder #shorthunder Hey! Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? Useful on certain maps. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. While it is true that there were +1.0 uptiers some of the time, it was not perpetual as some people claim. 4. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). 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