E WOODS: Right, right. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. WOODSON: I used to work for the captain at CIW in the program office. How do you deal with family, love, depression, having children, finding meaning in life? That was something that was volunteered to me. T WOODS: I received an email from one of my partners. And the phone rang in the media lab. Oh, daddy, I'm not playing with no guns. And the officer came back, was like, you're too tall for that name. The victims of a crime are faceless. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . He received a sentence of 31-years-to-life. And we just had such great conversations. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). And I was paroled when I was 23, about to turn 24. POOR: How do we tell stories and leave out that part? And I'm like - I'm telling my son, son, look. California Gov. POOR: Oh, plus, I - we get to see each other in all different color clothing because POOR: In prison, Earlonne always had to wear blue. When he was 15, he committed his first robbery alongside his brother, who had transitioned from selling drugs to robbing drug dealers. Like, what was all this for? POOR: What are some of the things you think about when you fantasize about your life when you're out? Part of HuffPost News. [7] Woods relocated to Oakland, California after his release, and was hired full-time as a producer and co-host of Ear Hustle. Woods helped create Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. ALEX BLUMBERG: And so a friend of Earlonne's, a volunteer at the prison, had an idea: with this spotlight on his work, and having served now two decades of his 31-to-life sentence, Earlonne should put in for a commutation -- make an official appeal to the governor, to set him free. ERIN: I don't - I don't know. But I always go over to the fantasy game guys, and I'll just sit there for a minute and try to see if I even come close to understanding what's going on on that table. It looked so good on you. His commutation includes reference to Earlonne's work on the podcast. He running with these hard heads. And the captain comes in. Earlonne Woods is an American podcaster and author, best known for co-hosting and co-founding the podcast Ear Hustle in 2017, and co-authoring the book This Is Ear Hustle in 2021. GROSS: So you know, you're a middle-aged man now. And they open fired on him. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . So I still had a 17-year-old mentality. "[15], The New Yorker's Sarah Larson said the show "might be the best new podcast Ive heard this year" and described it as being "about the creativity required to live a satisfying lifeor even a sane lifein prison, and is itself a product of that creativity. And then what worries me is, like, so people will leave with this very, like, I love this guy. Jerry Brown (D) has commuted the prison sentence of Earlonne Woods, whose hit podcast Ear Hustle explores life inside San Quentin State Prison. E WOODS: It was devastating because I had - one, I had just talked to Tyler, like, probably the day before. And I thought, well, those are kind of qualities that you need to be able to bring people out. I think maybe 14 years in my sentence, I went to San Quentin. And they - and I received 31 years to life. And I hit the floor. Earlonne holds an American nationality and white ethnicity. And that surprised me greatly. That stuff carries 17 years. Namcy Wong. GROSS: And Nigel, just as a person who's constantly interacting with inmates at San Quentin, do you want to know what they're incarcerated for, what crime they were convicted of? So to hear Governor Brown say that, it was like this is how we actually think. The podcast title, Ear Hustle, is prison slang for eavesdropping or being nosy. In 1997, he was sentenced to 31-years-to-life in prison. They searched Tyler, and then they ran his name. So I'm going to enjoy. So I gave him, you know, a handshake with as much emotion as I could muster POOR: Appropriately. And, you know, I pretty much raised - because my brother was locked up. Nigel Poor is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. And I'm playing this because it's about knowing where the line is when you're interviewing prisoners and sometimes to have to ask something that's going to make them uncomfortable. With grace and humor they walk through what life is really like behind bars, showing the humanity and depth of those they meet inside." --Catherine Burns, artistic director, The Moth "I listen to Ear . SHAPIRO: Well, yesterday, California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Earlonne Woods' sentence. POOR: Well, I would like to see more programs created that allow people inside and outside to work together as colleagues. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. Through his podcast, [Woods] has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison.. And it was just like - it didn't even register with me. Kourtney Kellar is an American model, social media celebrity, influencer, media face, and Internet personality. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. And then the question is, well, what do we do about that? GROSS: So something I found really interesting is that the group that is multicultural and not segregated by race or ethnicity is the group that's into, like - the nerds, the group that are into, like, sci-fi fantasy and stuff like that. GROSS: Earlonne, how did you learn how to keep your calm and live in the kind of confined situation you were in during the more than two decades that you were incarcerated? She'll continue to do interviews inside San Quentin. And they say Tyler just took off running. Earlonne Woods: Number one. So you can't wear blue, which is what they wear. You know, prison, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. Nigel is a professor at California State University. I'm on a podcast. But to hear the very next day that he was killed - and my mother is who told me. You know, they get to see each other in passing. Redmond O'Neal is a voice actor, Hollywood celebrity, and Star Kid from the United States. Also Read: Earlonne Woods, . SHAPIRO: Earlonne Woods is 47. So on December 7, 1994, I murdered my ex-girlfriend, the mother of my now-25-year-old daughter. And y'all having these intimate conversations about, you know, why you went down this path or what it was like being a survivor, what it was like being this. So now we can actually do that and even POOR: Hopefully go to other countries, too. Like, I just walked away, you know? It was - and it's not just her. Earlonnes sentence was recently commuted, but the two continue to share their experiences behind bars. Williams, 29, has served more than 10 years on a 15-year sentence for armed robbery. Along with Nigel Poor, he is a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX. Hae-soo married his non-celebrity bride on January 14, 2019, according to sources. I'm doing that. I'd rather deal with anyone, actually, as they are in front of me at that moment. Can people change? So there's a rule that pertains to the volunteers who come in, and they're not allowed to have, like, close relationships with the prisoners, anything that gets really intimate or emotional. Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. "[9] The series is not overtly political, but Poor emphasizes the way the show can have a humanizing effect, making listeners care about the men they hear on the show and wonder why one of the hosts might serve a life sentence for attempted robbery. POOR: So one of the things is that I really believe that people change. I told him that constantly. POOR: I don't ask unless it comes up as part of the story. The two established a rapport,[6] and Poor proposed the idea of creating a podcast to Woods, who had previously not known what a podcast was. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. And when the men started filing into my class, I was like, oh, what have I done? The San Francisco Public Library chose the title for its One City One Book citywide community reading program in 2022. Once you commit your crime, people think thats what it is, but individuals change. I've never had a problem. But I took way more from that person than $1. GROSS: And, Earlonne, I look forward to your interviews with people who, like you, are transitioning back into society from prison. [9][7] Ear Hustle was the first podcast entirely recorded and produced inside a prison. [9], In a Rolling Stone article about the show, Tana Ganeva called it "a fascinating, harrowing and also deeply entertaining look into life on the inside that runs the full gamut of emotions. [5] Woods role on the podcast was well-received, with Sarah Larson from The New Yorker describing him as an "immediately warm and likable presence",[10] while Eddie Harana from Rolling Stone praised the sense of humor he brought to the show. You know, he was - you know, I even - I'm talking to him all the time. After California Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence last month, Woods reflects on. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded millions of times, featured in media outlets from NPR to The New York Times, and made several best of podcast rankings. Nigel, I want to play an excerpt of an episode that you were very prominent in. Why am I doing this? While incarcerated at California State Prison, Centinela, Woods saw a documentary about the film school at San Quentin State Prison, and applied to transfer to that prison. And one of my goals has been for us to travel to other prisons, and I never wanted to do that without Earlonne. After 21 years in prison, Governor Brown the great governor of California decided that I served enough time, Woods said in the latest episode of Ear Hustle. So I'm not thinking that it's serious as much as I'm hearing. Is that OK? And that's pretty much what I did. We'll be right back. They're very polite. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. Therefore, it is not known if Earlonne is single, dating, or married. So you're interviewing a prisoner who - he and one of the volunteers fell in love, and so she stopped working there in any capacity, and they got married. NIGEL POOR: You know, E, you've been in prison 20 years. But the things that you do in your past do add dimension to who you are in this moment. Woods has served 21 years of a 31 to life prison sentence. (SOUNDBITE OF ETIENNE CHARLES' "MIDNIGHT"). So I've technically only been free 20 years in my life, and, since I was 17, I've been free maybe three years all together. In November 2018, Woods' sentence was commuted by California governor Jerry Brown. But very quickly, when we started talking about photography - I was teaching a history of photography class - that kind of melted away. He's able to call me collect. Earlonne, I want to ask you about the final podcast you recorded in San Quentin, which was largely about your older brother, Trevor, and your nephew, Tyler. And I always wore black. Earlonne was both host and inmate, but he was released in November after his sentence was commuted by California Governor Jerry Brown. Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor started the podcast Ear Hustle when Woods was a prisoner in San Quentin. So I want to ask you each to choose one thing that you would like to change in the system of - in the prison system or in mass incarceration. And the thing that I noticed in particular about him was that whenever there was an issue going on - and, of course, inside prison, there's all kinds of issues - and if we would have to sit down to solve a problem, Earlonne was the one who would speak up, cut through all of the baloney and get to the point. We can go to the gym and work out together. No, and I laugh because had Governor Brown probably not been the governor, I would still have 10 years of my sentence left. So this is JERRY BROWN: It all goes to this point that something very bad happens, and people will say, OK, now we're putting you in jail for a very long time. I had to really work through it and think about it. And you start thinking differently, you know? And it was just - I just seen him slipping through my fingers because I wasn't there to snatch him up. So I think as far as African-American culture in prison, I don't think nobody really cares why you're in prison. I mean, I guess I had a kind of low estimation of men and what they were like. E WOODS: So on November 19, Tyler and his auntie and some other lady went to 7-Eleven to get a pack of cigarettes. Who is Kourtney Kellar? How do you survive? GROSS: Are you going to go back and visit him? Mentally, it do, you know? He became affiliated with a local Crips gang in high school, and began selling marijuana at 14, and later sold cocaine. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. I'll say I've - on the second term - so the first term is where I did all the solitary stuff. Woods has served 21 years of a 31 to life prison sentence. When Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods met, Poor was a photography professor volunteering with the Prison University Project, and Woods was serving thirty-one years to life at California's San Quentin State Prison. And Jerry Brown was then the governor of California. If you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin Prison about their daily lives and their personal stories. (SOUNDBITE OF NOEL BONNEVIE'S "DAHIL SA'YO"). In 2020, Ear Hustle was named a finalist for a Pulitzer Prize in audio reporting the first time the . As co-host of the 2019 Third Coast Awards Ceremony, Earlonne will make his return to the "Oscars of Radio." Last year, he beamed in via video ( watch here ) after winning a 2018 Best Documentary: Honorable Mention Award as part of the Ear Hustle team. I'm fine working with him now. Its out of body, he said of getting the call from Browns office. GROSS: Well, why don't we take a short break here, and then we'll talk some more? Jerry Brown. No. Author, Project Leader of CHOOSE1 Opinions are my own linktr.ee/Earlonnewoods Posts Reels Videos Tagged Show More Posts from earlonnewoods I took their security from them to even walk out the house and feel safe, you know? In 2018, California governor Jerry Brown commuted Earlonne Woods' sentence, citing Ear Hustle as a significant contributor to his reformation as an American citizen. On his release from San Quentin State Prison, Woods was hired full time to continue the work started inside but also adding reentry stories. In fact, when I walk through the yard, one of the things I really like is that people make eye contact. Earlonne is a brother to Shala Woods. There's a man that I worked with for quite a while that I was very fond of. And he was always ready to help. But yeah, I can't. You know that it could be a possibility, but it's a possibility that you've seen pretty much your whole life, you know? I'm not doing this. And so that's the point that I'm struck by - that human beings in a moment can do something with devastating consequences. So now we're - I mean, we're friends, and we're colleagues. I used to sit there and ask God, "Like, why am I living if I have to die?" And I think at that age I was questioning God. I don't know what tomorrow brings, but I know what's happening today and right now. So you'll never get the opportunity to be in front of people to present the person that you are today. (SOUNDBITE OF JOHN COLTRANE'S "OUT OF THIS WORLD"). Despite the lack of physical or forensic evidence, Caramad Conley was convicted of conspiracy to commit first degree murder, two counts of first degree murder, and eleven counts of attempted She first started working at San Quentin in 2011 as a volunteer in the Prison University Project, teaching the history of photography. Accuracy and availability may vary. . Is he a good co-host? There's all these restrictions. And so (laughter) it was just incredible. Therefore, Earlonne earns a decent salary as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. Trevor has done 14 years of a 36-year sentence. When asked earlier this year what was the first thing he would do if he got out, Woods said, Take a bath. Did you give him a hug? POOR: Earlonne described himself, and I described myself. And I mean, we just knew that was the call. Like, you may have guys that are Hispanics or whites who, when they get to a certain prison, their race is like, let me see your paperwork. You - you - you always feel that you're better than getting killed, like you would never get killed. GROSS: And that was because - you got such a long sentence because one crime had you convicted on two counts, so that counted as two strikes. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. GROSS: And you chose Earlonne. The rest of it is just an enhancement. And it really wasn't until I got into the healing circle that I understood what it was like to be a survivor of crime because in these circles, you're sitting across from crime victims. This lady - her name was Claire. You were OK with that? Earlonne still co-hosts the show alongside Nigel. And it's just about - you know, they accept anybody, you know? "[9] She also praised its originality, "[using] prisoners' storytelling skills to show what it's like to spend decades behind bars. And they won't get that opportunity to present the person that they are today. I felt like in Earlonne I found a true professional colleague. But the law don't see your rehabilitation. You start attending different self-help groups. He commuted my sentence to be released forthwith, immediately, right now, its time to go, time to walk out that gate, he added, laughing. It focuses on both the personal and the political, shedding light on issues of mass incarceration and the criminal justice system by telling intimate, humanizing stories, like the tale of one inmates obsession with keeping small critters as pets in his cell or anothers struggle to be intimate with his wife while behind bars. Can I ask how your relationship is changing now that you're both outside? And as they questioned the driver, the passenger officer seen tattoos and Tyler's face and started questioning him, made him get out the car. Brown cited Woods' leadership in . [5][15] In 2020, alongside Poor and co-host Rahsaan Thomas, Woods was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting. It destroys hope, and it violates the principle that redemption is at the essence of what it is to be human. Woods never used the drug, though became addicted to the money and lifestyle selling it provided. So, Nigel, when you decided you wanted to start, like, a interview series that started on KALW - the public - one of the public radio stations in San Francisco, and then it became a podcast - you wanted a co-host and co-producer who was incarcerated in San Quentin. He is now 47. My guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-hosts and co-producers of Ear Hustle, a podcast featuring their interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin. Accuracy and availability may vary. Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods are gifted storytellers, and their ability to draw intimate, authentic stories out of others is extraordinary. HuffPost visited Woods at San Quentin earlier this year to discuss why he created the podcast. POOR: You get a lot of calls from guys at San E WOODS: I get a lot of 15-minute calls from prison. Earlonne Woods is an American podcaster and author, best known for co-hosting and co-founding the podcast Ear Hustle in 2017, and co-authoring the book This Is Ear Hustle in 2021. I just stopped over there, went and sat on a rock and just watched the water for about an hour. What's it like to not care about the person who you're robbing or the person who might be killed by a stray bullet? You're more looking at what you're getting out of the situation. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). And he understood how to diffuse a situation. He is 5 feet 7 inches tall ( Approx1.7 m). And I got out in '95. So here's Nigel Poor, co-host and co-producer of the podcast Ear Hustle. Those are my partners. It's a job. We called up Nigel Poor today to ask her about it, and she said that when they got the news yesterday, they were in the middle of making an episode. When he was nine, Woods lifted up a faulty railroad crossing gate to allow cars to pass. But you look back, and you're looking at it like, I've wasted, like - I can say right now, I'm 47 years old. They had left the auntie's house. Not one bit, you know? You know, they playing with guns or whatever have you. Earlonne became preoccupied with reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for people who had previously been incarcerated, as well as documenting his own experiences. OK. POOR: That's his obsession. And I'm always interested in people who kind of fade into the background a little bit because I suspect they could be the most interesting people in the room. Like, my mother used to bring him. And I think - I didn't - I didn't become accustomed to the lifestyle of working or having a job, you know? Woods was involved in an attempted robbery in 1997, when he was in his 20s. All rights reserved. Why we living like we don't care - because this is somehow how we grew up and how - since as early teenager we've been living in the streets, in the gangs. The responding officers shot him five times, killed him. E WOODS: I think the mentality is more of crime to you is a job. For the first few months after Earlonne Woods was released from San Quentin in November, his "Ear Hustle" podcast co-host Nigel Poor kept receiving photos of ice cream on her phone. I don't know. [8][9][16] Vulture's Nicholas Quah noted a particular story a prisoner told about a frog in episode three: "a moment of levity in a setting often described in the worst of terms, a productive kind of conversation between the specificities of a person and the overpowering context of his incarceration. We don't really do stories about people's crimes at all. It was like 2 in the morning. When Earlonne was incarcerated in San Quentin, he and Nigel Poor started the podcast Ear Hustle. And I keep thinking, like, a week from now, Earlonne and I could be having dinner outside the prison together (laughter). Earlonne still co-hosts the show alongside Nigel. . E WOODS: I, personally, would like to eradicate California's three strikes law because I think that there's a lot of people that's sentenced under this law, which everybody thinks is 25 to life. [1][2] Since his release, Woods has continued to co-host the podcast with Poor from outside prison, with Poor recording some parts in San Quentin with new co-host Rahsaan "New York" Thomas. Earlonne stands at a height of 5 ft 7 in ( Approx1.7 m). He gave up his brother name. And E WOODS: And of course I enjoy all the little moments. GROSS: Their brothers are the people who live in a similar world of fantasy as opposed to defining their brothers as being, you know, a skin color or ethnicity. POOR: Well, he wasn't necessarily a good talker because he was very quiet. [12] On October 19, 2021, co-hosts Poor and Woods released a book on the podcast, This Is Ear Hustle. Tyra got arrested first for kidnap and robbery. E WOODS: Well, me growing up the way I grew up, I grew up in a lifestyle where I was young when I got into selling drugs, and I was - I was real young. And my mindset, regardless of where I'm at, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. And it's the way people would hope other people think that, hey, OK, I've done my time. You start really understanding what the word community means and what your participation in community is about, you know? And you really get a better understanding of your impact that you've personally had on people in society. And then Trevor was arrested when their son, Tyler, was 10. [5] He served his last seven years at San Quentin. Woods is an inmate of the San Quentin State Prison in California. So we're going to strike you out this time. Like, in the county jail, I was like, OK, I'm done with this side of life because even though our philosophy growing up was for death though - you know, meaning I'd rather be carried by six than judged by 12 - that was just the philosophy we had growing up, you know? You know, he running the streets. Woods' sentence was recently commuted, but the two continue to tell stories of life behind bars. And so being in prison has just really altered that. You're sitting across from law enforcement. The person that you do in your past do add dimension to who you are also agreeing to Terms. 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