Reanimation is one of the most popular themes in the entire Magic: The Gathering Commander format. 513.1a].) By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. ._1QwShihKKlyRXyQSlqYaWW{height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:bottom}._2X6EB3ZhEeXCh1eIVA64XM{margin-left:3px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;padding:0 4px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;margin-left:0;padding:0 4px}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:14px;padding:0 4px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH,._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{display:inline-block;height:16px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-body);border-radius:50%;margin-left:5px;text-align:center;width:16px}._2cvySYWkqJfynvXFOpNc5L{height:10px;width:10px}.aJrgrewN9C8x1Fusdx4hh{padding:2px 8px}._1wj6zoMi6hRP5YhJ8nXWXE{font-size:14px;padding:7px 12px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y{border-radius:20px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:hover{opacity:.85}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:active{transform:scale(.95)} If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. [Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] I want to build her so bad but every time I try I hurt my head . Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide 1x Blightstep Pathway. For the cards she plays nicely with, you generally need to allow the trigger to be put on the stack first in order to permanently delete it. They decline to end the turn. Ignore EoT black discard/life loss effects. Jesper Ejsing. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment Obeka, Brute Chronologist. ._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4{width:100%}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA{display:none}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA,._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4:hover ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:block}._1LHxa-yaHJwrPK8kuyv_Y4 ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:none} Should you stop buying MtG products? So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. Opponents upkeep, spell is resolving, whatever. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns. However, if this happens the game does another Cleanup Step once this one ends. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. It seems you have the correct knowledge of how Obekas ability works, but here is a link for sundial of the infinite which acts exactly the same as Obeka. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution Obeka, Brute Chronologist "brute" forcing your opponents to end their turns with loops After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. by Olive_pdx, unthinkable apocalypse This doesn't work because you are the active player. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} It doesn't work at all. I would even argue there is no loop to propose. It is strictly against the rules. 719.1b), but it will still trigger again at the next appropriate moment (C.R. 514.2). After looking into the rules surrounding loops and using the best of my judgely knowledge, it does appear to work, but I can't find any specific mentions of the situation on oracle rulings, or threads of the interaction in general, which seemed odd to me, considering the strangeness of this interaction. 3) State-based actions are checked. As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. It has Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. On the other hand, neither player has any incentive to ever change their action or decision. Priority passes to you. Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. by Mimicvat 2 years ago, Post Similar Deck Space Card Recommendations Commander Recommendations. So you can activate obeka in the cleanup step. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. Most combos actually win a game in the way they're designed; infinite mana, infinite damage, infinite turns, infinite blink. Oneka's second ruling states 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. A player is one of the people in the game. If the trigger was a delayed trigger, the ones typically worded "at the beginning of the/your next end step", they only get to trigger once and they did trigger so won't trigger again. On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Even though the outcome *COULD* be different, it's not guaranteed to be, so it's just stalling. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! So you would then need to make a choice to not activate Obeka? Press J to jump to the feed. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. 603.7). Card Text: . I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Finally, "at the beginning of the end step" (examples include [[Ball Lightning]] and [[Heat Shimmer]]) expresses an ordinary triggered ability that likewise goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. 702.116a]) expresses a delayed triggered ability referring to the beginning of the next end of combat step (C.R. 2020-11-10. If Obeka's ability is used to end the turn on the turn when nabber's effect ends does obeka's controller keep control of the artifact, or does it go back to the original controller? Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled (C.R. What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. 'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. Obeka, Brute Chronologist, illustrated by Jesper Ejsing. by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. This was a great tutorial and explanation of the deck, and well worth the upvote! Help | 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. Min price of the total 35 cards for sale. It removes marked damage from all permanents. If I understand, the Thawing Glaciers cleanup-step trigger reestablishes priority. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. That's Crazy, Just gonna comment here cos i wanna see where this is going. by benjameenbear 2 years ago, Post By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Now, if the End Step began, all those "beginning of the end step" triggers have triggered and are on the stack waiting to resolve.The interesting thing is that if you end the turn with them waiting to resolve, the triggers get exiled and the game advances to the Cleanup Step. After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. by Chakagozio, Speak "friend" and Enter [PRIMER] Otherwise, priority would not pass to all players during a cleanup step, and there would be no need for a second end-the-turn effect? I had to explain it to my cEDH loving friend when they got excited over the spoilers. So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". On the other hand, the phrase "at the beginning of the next end step" expresses what is called a delayed triggered ability (it has the word "at") (C.R. slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. Out of stock. Before you even reach the "I am demonstrating a loop" statement you're attempting to repeat the board state already, or your loop hasn't resolved a single "NO" response yet. 514.2, 514.3a). If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Obeka, Brute Chronologist Commander Primer - Decklist & How to Play. Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. Me, and the opponent choosing not to end the turn. A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. Contact | Steal shit, don't give it back. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller. He occupies a happy place in my Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck. EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. 1x Crumbling Necropolis. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard 3/4: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. Then I talk about the interaction with extra turn cards in the "Extra turns" section. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago Check out BOTH decklists below! Please link all cards using double brackets. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} TappedOut.js Blog Widget, ETB - Create one ore two tokens (Obeka, Kiki-Jiki, Phyrexian Dreadnought & Minamo, School at Water's Edge), Obeka's Ability and "At the end of YOUR turn" actions, Feldon of the Third Path - Loran's Smile (v1.4). Like you, I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the commander. by Maelk. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. lothshteth. Guest-only advertisements. This doesnt work the way you want it to. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Commander Legends: Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? 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