Mr. or Dr., dont remember which, Solomon preached (I wouldnt quite call it teached) and all I remember from the sermon was money, money money. I dont try to use gender inclusive language. I am thinking that the success of megas is not just about celebrities, just judging from the success of the local mega. I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. I know what you mean about David Platts sermon style. With a seminary degree???? I dont remember the details, just that I got the idea that they shouldnt be encouraged to attend and fellowship with the body if theyre not comfortable making a commitment in writing. Yes, there is a great distinction here. We could argue this stuff back and forth until the ice sheets start moving South again and it would accomplish nada, zilch, and zero. And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. But I experienced him as my (now former) pastor and while he may be a great speaker, he is not a good pastor. When I went to the CBE conference in Florida recently, we had communion and the person serving me communion said Julie Anne, this is the Body of Christ. Now, of course, it wasnt as special as Bills because this woman didnt know me except from the weekend, but I noticed how personal it felt. Everything is for show to make the congregation think theres actual ministry going on. The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. To be fair most denominations have never heard of him as the lawsuit has not received any media coverage over here. This is indirectly related to this topic.I am questioning the current practice of satellite churches.where a church starts another location with the pastor appearing via webcam. Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. I am not convinced the humility David Platt exhibits is real, considering his celebrity status and the lack of persecution from the world. I believe he is fitting in quite nicely with the harlot institutional church, using the Name of our LORD for his own personal glory. On more than one occasion he preached a sermon almost word for word from one of Tom Wrights books. Of course, mission should be a function of a healthy church. For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. All of scripture is not the Gospel (Wisdom Lit., lament, apocalyptic, etc.). The Gospel Coalition recently postedPastor, Strive to Learn Their Nameswritten byBenjamin Vrbicek. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: ++++++++++++++++++++. Im fine with paying staff, pastors, etc, but dont insist theres a New Testament mandate for the paid career program we see. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. In oterh words, find a real church.. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. One of the benefits this boundary has brought to our church is that we are very clearly not a pastor-centered church. I did join it after attending for a year and then left after four months. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). But the salvation of the world has a purpose beyond that. unable to endure sound doctrine of bitter, the roughage of whole bran, the artisan heavy-bread with its uneven texture and low-glycemic index but a lasting satiety which sustains the hungry soul! ishy wrote: is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. abortion, homosexuality or swaying opinion in favour of Trump over Clinton (or the reverse)). When I entered the state of the art auditorium, I found myself absorbed in a sea of multiple thousands of attendees at one of the multiple Sunday services. I have long been an advocate of this. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments and what were his commandments if not both love God and neighbor and also go ye into all the world . What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? ", My son replied "No, Daddy, but it's a good story!". I couldnt agree more. Will David visit me in the hospital if I am ill? Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. Theres even a well known chicken barbecue company. Of course, if the Trustees were transparent, we would not be speculating. Thus, the model in the New Testament is shared leadership. Some churches in my area have a Farmers Market on weekends in their parking lot. David Eigenberg isn't deaf in real life, thus he doesn't need hearing aids or have speech problems. We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. These pastors (without quotation marks) dont double-dip or moonlight as motivational speakers and writers, or publicise themselves, or invest their time in furthering their careers by making their (quotes) churches (more quotes) into conference centres at which they can speak. One could have successful ministry (cast out demons, heal, & build numerical flocks), yet be told to depart for He never knew you (Matt. He also said that my observations of being a church memberin a number of churches would be helpful to pastorsas well. One of many reasons I am not a fan of institutionalied/bureaucracy-ized Churchianity. How different the whole church culture would be if the profit motive went away? I think that is part of a church being well run, in a way. After reading your comments I was deeply discouraged, wow this man must be seriously egotistical and really has no heart for the church body. No pastor that is paid full-time could say that and be hired or kept on in a Baptist church. Same here. Usually didnt pay or didnt pay much. So while I dislike Platts platitudes in general, Ive no problem with him supply preaching for the church. I see benefit to this in those cases. Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? I wanted to remain in that role. This promise indicates that God is present with the Body in a way He has not promised to the individual. You can read between the lines Im sure and see how the David Platt thing fits into all of this. MBC used to meet at Langley High School before building a huge church building. I loved hearing Todd Phillips and Ken Baugh preach. His Presence in their midst, is the witness of the Church (being not doing). I happen to know his income will almost double. The reason we should learn names is twofold. The pastor has stated he spends 15 20 hours a week preparing his sermonbut in reading the comments above about how pastors will say that but just copy & paste other people I just found a sermon by MacArthur on Psalm 19 and it sounded exactly like the sermon my pastor preached a few weeks ago on Psalm 19. Ive seen it work well. Platt fell on the sword by taking the heat during the IMB missionary recall debacle, so this is his parachute. He turned to me and said "Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. He was senior pastor at the Church at Brook Hills in Birmingham, Alabama, from 2006 to 2014. Incidentally, thats three comments in a row beginning with the word incidentally. Should it come from the pulpit only? It is like they think they are crossing some sort of line if they drop their guard and form genuine relationships. __ Another reason the SBC is a joke. My guess is theres some bigger strategy going on. Today isnt all that special nor or we so special that we just know more than God. https://www.mcleanbible.org/blog/letter-lon-solomon. Does not. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. One evening, after communion, my husband was strangely silent when we got in the car. @ Bridget: Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. These graduates then serve the Church. Again, I ask, what exactly makes anyone think their fellowship is somehow going to do it better that the most humble man in the history of the world? Church was run, shepherded, pastored, whatever you want to call leading the flock by all of us. In fact I sympathise with them to a certain extent, and perhaps I should do so to a greater extent insofar as they not unlike me. These pastors do a lot of fund raising in the USA, selling themselves as making a huge impact on the muslim world for the cause of Christ. Going back to the comments about receiving Communion. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! While some people think that Jimmy sounds like he could be deaf for some reason, many others think he has the hottest voice ever. And they are extremely popular with Baptist pastors, but most Baptists have no idea they even exist. The mission of God, if I may use that term, is the salvation of the world, not just the salvation of me and mine. Arrrgh. Ive even seen multi-media pastor. WebThere are three general categories of speech impairment: Fluency disorder. I'm very upfront with my role to my church. It leaves in its wake dis-ease. 12, Eph. http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html. What a perfect way to capture the video presenter multi-site phenomenon. their church planting efforts out of McLean. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. WebDavid Platt is a great example of a man who may have a speech impediment yet the listener is captivated by his genuine passion for the gospel. What next pants down so we can see his undergarments? Madison Avenue helps to appeal to the wants and desires of the target audience. I know of churches that have moved into an area and purchased an existing building. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! So what? Nor do they ever get any deeper. I get what youre saying, but people in regular jobs can be run out by one person who doesnt like them. As you said, there are clearly gifted men and women in the UK equal to the Anyabwiles and the others. This is Creator-centric. He demonstrates his attitude that he can dress down for Sunday service. First thought is David Platt misses having a large live audience every week. Bridget, We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. MBC deserves a full time pastor. Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. The same is true for many ARC churches. This week, it was announced thatDavid Plattwill soon be voted on to be the new teaching pastor atMcLean Bible Church. I dont remember exactly who was there, but I remembered wondering how they could fill their other responsibilities and who was footing the bill. think of how useful the church facility could be to the community instead of sitting closed up 96% of the week. All believers do have access, yes. Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. Platt New! But I could be mis-understanding you. Remember that the word Pastor derives from the Latin for Shepherd, if these pastors were employed as actual shepherds they would be lucky to have any sheep left after a week, they would either wonder away, be eaten by wolves, would starve to death or dehydrate, since they seem to believe that they are only supposed to do one job and not deal with the other responsibilities. gained entrance to the respectable theologians club, and Dever gained a proven marketing program. degenerative neurological or motor disorder. Now every believer does have access, but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. I know of a Bible church in our area (the Triangle Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) where it appears the elders, not the congregation, hand-picked the pastor. Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. comedian gave a performance recently in which he banked nearly fifteen grand for his one night performance, using the name of jesus near the end to share a gospel-like message. They involve prep time, sometimes some fairly in-depth research and number crunching with a spreadsheet when I have to bring in a group to talk over why they have so many issues in a six month period or why their change requests failed more often than the average. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. Its absurd on its face, its not true. David may be a great speaker, but hes not a good people person in my opinion. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. But they can never cover all of life, and if the manual was so complete, then we would not have the freedom to go and do. Just today he seems to throw a jab at Paige Patterson. OK, Dont let the door hit your tutu on the way out! Seriously, is this Hollywood or the church of Jesus Christ? His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. I called the church to make the funeral arrangements and notify the pastor. I think those who are critical of David and this arrangement with MBC dont understand the church. (1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, Every Challenge To Calvinism, Is A Heavenly Opportunity, All of heaven shall hear my cry, when Jesus returns, will there be faith upon the earth?, Spy Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. When people function, in love, in their gifts and responsibilities there is no need for a vested authority. Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! From 2014 to 2017, Platt was president of the International Mission Board. ishy wrote: Got a bit lively, but no legal or 501c3 problems. @ Todd Wilhelm: Web9. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. That is the reason for the revisiting language, I think. traumatic brain injury. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. Parkinsons Law (Wiki article here for any Wartburgers at a loose end with 5 minutes to spare). Or just not on Sunday morning. @ Nick Bulbeck: You really ned to check out Twitter to get a better idea of what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. At first I chuckled because it seems obvious to me that pastors who should know the names of those in their congregation. For me, its a point of emphasis. For the life of me Ive never understood, either, why we think we need someone to hold our hands when someone dies besides the Body of Christ. David Platt (pastor) David Joseph Platt is an American pastor. 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